Is "" telling the truth?

A Mere Conspiracy Theory?

This website is dedicated to the examination of the Watchtower's 10 year membership with the United Nation's Department of Public Information (DPI). The DPI is the United Nation's publicity department. In particular, this site serves the purpose to examine the flagship rebuttal website of this WBTS/UN association, created by an individual that goes by the name "thirdwitness". To view his website CLICK HERE

From the onset, "thirdwitness" attempts to muddy the waters by using loaded language, red herrings, and calling upon emotion well before one has been given the chance to consider the evidence. On the homepage, he has already set the reader up to consider much of this issue a conspiracy theory formulated by "crackpot" individuals and "apostates". Count how many times you see such words used on his site. Perhaps these are colors to cloud the water? Regardless of one's feelings, the WBTS reminds us that "Reasonable persons agree that the only fair method (to see the truth) is to examine the evidence on both sides, both for and against a disputed theory (1973 Awake! October 22nd pg. 6). Please keep this statement in mind before you make your final decision on the truth of the matter.

As we examine the evidence, it's important to see how the WBTS views a person joining a secular organization whose objects are contrary to the Bible. Surely the UN fits into this category. Read below...

(1983 Organized To Accomplish Our Ministry pg. 151)


NOTE: After clicking the chapter you wish to view, scroll past the above "sticky" introduction post (also chapter index below) and read just below the map. Click on images to enlarge them.

CHAPTER 1"Introduction: In the Beginning" 

"Know your NGOs!"

"Did we agree to praise the UN?"

CHAPTER 4 "Please Sign Nowhere"

CHAPTER 5 "The changing world of NGOs"

CHAPTER 6 "Following it to the Letter"

CHAPTER 7 "Hail to the Chief"

CHAPTER 8 "Principle Support"

"Did we hypocritically ‘ride the wild beast’?"

CHAPTER 10 "Awake to Propaganda?"

CHAPTER 11 "Self-condemnation?"

CHAPTER 12 "Consider the Source"

CHAPTER 13 "Conclusion: A Not-Guilty Verdict"

Thursday, April 15, 2010

Chapter 12


(John 8:37-39)
He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God." The Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?" Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
You may be wondering why I started with a Bible verse and how this relates to this chapter, or any other chapter for that matter. One word. Red herring, ok that was two. In this chapter, "3W" does his best to sway his readers by setting up a smear campaign. He attacks the character of the people he's trying to refute, over the research and facts they present. This is what the Jews did against Jesus when they couldn't refute his words, they attacked his character hoping that this "demonization" would make his words not relevant. "3W" says Nowadays, most of those former brothers and sisters cannot lower themselves to attend meetings at the Kingdom Hall, because there might be something “spiritually unclean” there — as they are far too oh-so holy to take part. Yet, amongst these supposedly spiritually pure “Christians”, is pure spiritual filth. To cite just one example, the sect's own webmaster and King's closest associate openly promotes the Trinity-based teaching that Jesus' name is Jehovah, and also talks about praying to Jesus. I'm curious if he's aware that generalizations (of people groups) are instruments of propaganda techniques. Even by the standards of the Watchtower. In the 2000 Awake June 22nd pages 4-8 it explains in detail some of the propaganda techniques that people use to get their message across. Under the "generalizations" section it says:
Another very successful tactic of propaganda is generalization. Generalizations tend to obscure important facts about the real issues in question, and they are frequently used to demean entire groups of people. “Gypsies [or immigrants] are thieves” is, for instance, a phrase frequently heard in some European countries. But is that true?

He makes big assertions about former members, but has he personally talked to these people (every one) to know what their true motives for not going to the kingdom hall is? He then goes on to say Also, the sect members have been repeatedly known to lie (like theocratic warfare strategy?) and use abusive and foul language— especially to those who leave the sect. Interesting that he would bring that up. Has he used any abusive language against his opposition? Has he not called people "crackpot" individuals and "apostates" to belittle their cause? Is this not loaded language? Are these not labels to "poison the well" or "throw poop in the punch"? Now back to that Awake article. Another propaganda technique it mentions is "name calling". It says in part:

Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts. Name-calling slaps a negative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea. The name-caller hopes that the label will stick. If people reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative label instead of weighing the evidence for themselves, the name-caller’s strategy has worked.
Isn't this what both "3W" and the WBTS have done to people that disagree with them, by calling them names? The WBTS has a history of name calling in order to succor their cause. The most famous word they love to use is "apostate". I can't tell you how many Jehovah's Witnesses I've talked that bring out this red herring "apostate" label when I share information with them from former members. In particular, former "Bethelites". I get the typical "oh he's an apostate, he lies etc" response. I've even had some say that about my own research without them knowing it was mine. They didn't realize that the "he" was me and the quotes were their own literature! For the record I never was a JW so how can I be an apostate? The WBTS has a clever tool to get its members to disregard revealing information that can be very damning. Demonize the person then the message is disregarded. Excellent for damage control I must say.

We are then told Interestingly, when the evidence presented in this work was first published on the Internet, Robert King banned all outside links on his discussion board. He claimed this was to “protect the flock” from links to possible harmful websites. In reality, this was a lie. Isn't this just what the WBTS does with its members too? Under the guise of "child protection" (which is a valid argument to an extent) the WBTS tells its members to use the internet sparingly. They highly control the information its members are to read so they won't be "stumbled". In reality, it's damage control to keep its members from finding out their checkered past. The Governing Body doesn't endorse websites that are not their own. Read below...

Could it be because:

Error always seeks the dark, while truth is always enhanced by light. Error never desires to be investigated. Light always courts a thorough and complete investigation (1920 Millions Now Living Will Never Die pg. 13)

Lastly, if we truly are to bring out character flaws as reasons to disregard a message, then lets examine "thirdwitness" and his debate tactics for a moment. When he was defending his site on "JWN", someone pointed out that his IP address was the same as his ONLY supporter "Oh Happy Day" on the discussion. His response was:

(To view the discussion CLICK HERE)
Sorry to disappoint everyone but I am not ohhappydays nor do I know ohhappyday nor has he or anyone used my computer today except me. I have PMed him and ask him why the ip address is the same. Look at his other posts and you will see how his ip address keeps on changing. This is obviously someone who has the ability to freak the system. Perhaps the administration knows. Or maybe this is a scheme to finally get rid of thirdwitness for his exposing the apostates.
Desperation indeed.


  1. what is your point what is your point honestly, what is your point in trying to expose Jehovah judgement website ? what is it that personally bothers you ? I looked at your blogger - i just don't understand the small minded mentallity people have about what is involved in taking care of a world wide organization. The U.N. has soo much control over countries - do you not think it would be wise for Jehovah's Witnesses to KNOW what the U.N. is up to - even from the sooo called "inside" - which it really is not. For them to be on "friendly" relations to know how to help people who are in parts of the world without religious freedom. The U.N. opens doors Jehovah's people use as a bennefit to get the Biblical info to people. This is about getting BIBLES to people, do you even know what it is we teach? Do you understand the effort that goes into it ? I see a lot of small minded people on Youtube who have noooo idea what is involved in being even able to reach people on a worldwide scale. Do you think bringing people info about Jesus kingdom to parts of the world who may otherwise not have gotten that info is a bad thing ? How is doing what it takes to get that info out = a bad thing ? I am not sending this message to you with any bad feelings - i am a Christian first = Just want to know your motives and why? You may have found faults with ( that ) website or still some U.N. connections - why else would there be connection then to keep getting info about Gods kingdom to the world = ? sooo

  2. TruthSolace - A lot of Jehovah's Witnesses have left over this issue. I agree with you that it is in the Watchtower's best interests to be associated with the UN and it is Scripturally acceptable for them to do so.

    What has upset people is the hypocrisy of the Governing Body is doing so. Thousands of Witnesses were tortured and murdered in Malawi because the GB claimed political involvement is unacceptable and would not let the brothers hold a political card, and yet they have gone behind the backs of the members and are equally involved in politics themselves.

  3. 2 REALLY REALLY different things actually if you did the research on what it means to own a political card in Malawi you might know that. Those brothers made a conscious decision to be conscientious objectors (no one forced them to do that - we are all adults here.) Every country is different - and should be treated as such.
    What the Watchtower represents is a majority of unified belief -Not telling us what to believe= Simply printing ( what together we believe ) WE ARE ONE of one mind about what the scriptures say. - yes there are a handful of some that have disagreements - they are a handful.

  4. TruthSolace, you said:

    "The U.N. has soo much control over countries - do you not think it would be wise for Jehovah's Witnesses to KNOW what the U.N. is up to - even from the sooo called "inside" - which it really is not. For them to be on "friendly" relations... The U.N. opens doors Jehovah's people use as a bennefit to get the Biblical info to people.... How is doing what it takes to get that info out = a bad thing ... U.N. connections - why else would there be connection then to keep getting info about Gods kingdom to the world"

    The Society has savagely condemned other religions for this kind of compromise with the UN for decades. They say their motive for this doesn't matter it's the fact that they associate themselves with the powers of this wicked system that is wrong. The issue is not whether it is right or wrong, the issue is that they SOCIETY SAYS it's wrong - for everyone else! But it's OK for them to do it? it's gross hypocrisy, that is the issue. The Society condemns itself out of it's own mouth and your making excuses for them, which you would never make for other religions, is hypocritical too.

    And your insistence that the voluntary affiliation with - 'touching' - an element of the of what the Society calls the "Unclean Thing", the 'Beast", is OK because their "motive" is good violates so many Scriptures I can hardly believe you can bring yourself to say it.

    In Revelation 13 and 14 it discussed the 'Beast' and says that only those who received the mark of the Beast could "buy or sell". So, there was an advantage to having the mark, it allowed you to function. So I suppose the Society receiving the mark of the Beast is justifiable to you because their 'motive was good'? "Oh, the had to receive the mark of the Beast, because it opens doors. The Beast controls so many nations. The Society cant do the fine work around the world unless it receives the mark. Why do you condemn us for receiving the mark of the beast when we mean well, we are just trying to function in this world and get the work done, and for that we need the mark".

    That is basically what you are saying.

    What does the Bible say?

    "A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone... receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those....recieves the mark of his name."

    Motive, doesn't matter. You don't go to the Beast to further the work. You can't do God's work better by affiliating with his enemy.

    You know this full well when it comes to any OTHER religion. Strange that you have this blindspot when it comes to the Society. Be careful that your support of them in their affiliation with the Beast doesn't 'mark' you too.

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